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Δευτέρα 21 Απριλίου 2008

Blog στο BBC για το θέμα της ονομασίας της ΠΓΔΜ!

Έντονος διάλογος για το θέμα της ονομασίας των Σκοπίων έχει ανοίξει σήμερα μεταξύ των επισκεπτών του διαδυκτιακού BBC News μετά τη συνέντευξη της κ.Μπακογιάννη στο εν λόγω μέσο.Η συζήτηση έχει ανοίξει στο blog του κ.Mark Madell συντάκτη του BBC Europe.
O κ.Μ.Σ. απ΄το Λονδίνο,μας ενημερώνει για το θέμα και καλεί τους Έλληνες χρήστες του Ίντερνετ να απαντήσουν:

Εmail από mi******@hotmail.co.uk
"Don't leave British lies ,hypocricy and misinformation yn-answered!Log-in and send your comments to BBC! Protect the truth and our Macedonia
Protect our Greece
Protect the truth and our Macedonia"

Δηλαδή:
"Μην αφήνετε τα ψέματα των Βρετανών,την υποκρισία και την παραπληροφόρηση αναπάντητa!
Συνδεθείτε και στείλτε τα σχόλιά σας στο BBC.Προστατέψτε την αλήθεια και την Μακεδονία μας
Προστατέψτε την Ελλάδα μας
Προστατέψτε την αλήθεια και την Μακεδονία μας"

Για μεταφορά στη συγκεκριμένη σελίδα του BBC πατήστε εδώ: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2008/04/fire_em_that_country_next_door.html#commentsanchor

19 σχόλια:

  1. mphka kai epatha plaka!
    xamos ginetai.mpeite oloi kai apanthste twra.exei dikaio o filos ap thn agglia

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  2. ΑΥΤΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΓΙΑ ΟΣΟΥΣ ΘΕΩΡΟΥΝ ΓΡΑΦΙΚΟΥΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΑΓΩΝΙΖΟΝΤΑΙ ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ΕΘΝΙΚΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΚΑΙ ΜΕ ΤΟ ΠΛΗΚΤΡΟΛΟΓΙΟ ΣΤΟ ΧΕΡΙ.
    ΕΔΩ,ΑΣΧΟΛΟΥΝΤΑΙ ΑΓΓΛΟΙ,ΓΑΛΛΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΘΕ ΛΟΓΗΣ ΕΥΡΩΠΑΙΟΙ,ΕΜΕΙΣ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΑΣΧΟΛΗΘΟΥΜΕ?
    ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΑ ΑΠΙΣΤΕΥΤΟΣ ΧΑΜΟΣ.
    ΝΤΟΥ ΣΤΟ BBC ΤΩΡΑ!

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  3. ΑΥΤΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΓΙΑ ΟΣΟΥΣ ΘΕΩΡΟΥΝ ΓΡΑΦΙΚΟΥΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΑΓΩΝΙΖΟΝΤΑΙ ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ΕΘΝΙΚΟ ΘΕΜΑ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΚΑΙ ΜΕ ΤΟ ΠΛΗΚΤΡΟΛΟΓΙΟ ΣΤΟ ΧΕΡΙ.
    ΕΔΩ,ΑΣΧΟΛΟΥΝΤΑΙ ΑΓΓΛΟΙ,ΓΑΛΛΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΘΕ ΛΟΓΗΣ ΕΥΡΩΠΑΙΟΙ,ΕΜΕΙΣ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΑΣΧΟΛΗΘΟΥΜΕ?
    ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΑ ΑΠΙΣΤΕΥΤΟΣ ΧΑΜΟΣ.
    ΝΤΟΥ ΣΤΟ BBC ΤΩΡΑ!

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  4. Oι περισσότεροι που γράφουν εκεί στο bbc ή είναι ανιστορητοι εκεί μέσα ή είναι Σκοπιανοί.
    Αν και οι 2 αυτές κατηγορίες ανθρώπων είναι πολύ κοντά..

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  5. OI KLASSIKES ADERFES OI AGGLOI..
    OI IDIOI TYPOI TOY BBC POY EIXAN SKYLIASEI PRIN TOYS OLYMPIAKOUS AGWNES GIA TA "ERGA POU DEN PROLAVAINOUN NA GINOUN" KAI "THN KATASTROFH TWN AGWNWN STHN ELLAD",VRHKAN KAINOURGIO PAIXNIDAKI.TH MAKEDONIA.
    AS TOYS DWSOUME MIA KALH APAANTHSH OSOI MPOROUME

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  6. Πέστα χρυσόστομε από πάνω!

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  7. MA,KAΛΑ ΤΩΡΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΣΟΒΑΡΗ ΣΥΝΕΝΤΕΥΞΗ ΑΥΤΗ ΤΗΣ ΜΠΑΚΟΓΙΑΝΗ?

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  8. Dear poor friends,

    we appreciate your effort for surviving,
    but not on our Own Major Interest and History.

    Honest Proposition:

    The name at stake as you put it is "MAKEDONIA"

    We, GREEKS for 5.000 years are very polite and
    civilized people so we let you get the first syllable, "MA".
    We keep the second "KE".

    So you can be call "MADONIANS".

    This is a great advantage for you because:
    1. You can have a modern emblem in the sun
    of your flag. The famous singer "MADONNA"
    2. You will please the USA because you are
    the same kind of products like Madonna,
    Made in USA.

    ____

    I expect that you are so brave,
    that you will send an answer.

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  9. Άφησα το εξής σχόλιο. Να δούμε αν θα περάσει το moderation και θα ζητήσουν συγγνώμη, διορθώνοντας.

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    Dear Mr Mardell,

    one of the basic principles of objective journalism is research.

    Macedonia is a geographical region, such as North America or the Iberian Peninsula.

    F.Y.R. of Macedonia's area comprises little over a third of the geographical region of Macedonia.

    In the geographical region of Macedonia, three quarters of the inhabitants claim a Greek, Bulgarian or Albanian national identity (2.65m in Greece, 0.35m in Bulgaria and 0.7m in the F.Y.R. of Macedonia).

    In addition, you wrote:

    "They also say that government-backed books are produced in Macedonia talking of a greater state and that the prime minister there was seen laying a wreath in front of such a map showing Greater Macedonia."

    Indeed.

    7th & 8th grade books showing the partition of "Greater Macedonia" after WWI and WWII.

    http://urlb.org/lhg6

    Prime minister Gruevski laying a wreath in front of a "Greater Macedonia" map.

    http://urlb.org/lhg5

    Could we please expect an update from you, or is it too childish and ridiculous?


    Sincerely,

    Alexander Thenotso Grate

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  10. I send my message to the BBC but it was rejected.I forwarded the rejection e-mail to greece.salonika@ gmail.com.
    Here is my post :
    One of the major issues is the I.D theft.Macedonians in ancient days were one of the Greek tribes.If any disputes it better read history. Macedonia after it was taken over by the Roman empire remained a province as any other state country of ancient Greece. The same continued when Byzantine firstly and Ottoman empires , took over those lands . Over the centuries many tribes moved into those lands,for different reasons but mainly for a better life.No one could or would say anything to them as far as they accepted the rules of whoever was the ruler of the area at the time. Mainly pay taxes, and very often having to join the armies of the rulers, with their own consent or not.
    These people started developing their lives by taking over and or mixing with the locals.Read history about the people and their race who occupied this area (not only Macedonia but the whole Balkan Peninsula)Something we experience in our days . People moving in other (lands) countries , for a better life.So we all accept that after 15 years or second generation, citizens call themselves USA, Australian,France,English etc,etc,etc citizens. The citizens of this specific were of a mixer. Greeks Slavic origin,Turks plus , plus, plus.As a 19th century salad is dedicated to Macedonia.
    Do the people of this region want to call themselves Macedonians? so what will I call myself? generations and generations Macedonian from Thessaloniki? Macedonia was a provence(read history) .So as the language of the people is slavic (read history) the country has to be called as it was called before Tito change it, and the province" Slavic Macedonia",in memory of ancient Macedonia. There are many cities in memory of ancient Greek cities.I,as a Greek living out of Greece, would like to express my sincere thanks to the USA for having chosen to name different cities, in memory of ancient ones. If the Slavomacedonians had the same intentions, they should have done the same long ago.
    Even-though small and powerless now,no one knows what the plans of their "major" overseas masters are for the future. That is why the 'superpower' Greece Vetoed their entrance to NATO and will for EU. Here we have to do with AN I.D THEFT.
    I don't know why that was rejected do you?

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  11. Για να καταλάβω!

    ΤΟ BBC ''ΚΑΘΑΡΙΖΕΙ'' MYNHMATA;

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  12. Θα διαπιστωθεί σύντομα, έννοια σου...

    Και δεν θα μείνει ετσι εαν ισχύει αυτο....

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  13. Δεν έχει εμφανιστεί ακόμη το σχόλιό μου στο BBC, ενώ έχουν εμφανιστεί κάποια "περίεργα" μηνύματα, μεταγενέστερά του (χρονικά).

    Έστειλα ξανά το ακόλουθο:

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    14:00 22/4/2008


    Mr Mardell,

    I posted a comment eight (8) hours ago and it didn't show up yet - although other comments posted later, did.

    As I abode by the rules, I'll begin to wonder about BBC's objectivity; if you can't find counterarguments for the political and photographical evidence I presented and just censor it, then who edits the editor?

    Should I contact other media and inform them about BBC's censorship? Should I formally complain to your supervisors?

    Here it is, one more time.

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    Macedonia is a geographical region, such as North America or the Iberian Peninsula.

    F.Y.R. of Macedonia's area comprises little over a third of the geographical region of Macedonia.

    In the geographical region of Macedonia, three quarters of the inhabitants claim a Greek, Bulgarian or Albanian national identity (2.65m in Greece, 0.35m in Bulgaria and 0.7m in the F.Y.R. of Macedonia).

    In addition, you wrote:

    "They also say that government-backed books are produced in Macedonia talking of a greater state and that the prime minister there was seen laying a wreath in front of such a map showing Greater Macedonia."

    Indeed.

    7th & 8th grade books showing the partition of "Greater Macedonia" after WWI and WWII.

    http://urlb.org/lhg6

    Prime minister Gruevski laying a wreath in front of a "Greater Macedonia" map.

    http://urlb.org/lhg5


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  14. Αν μπορούσατε να βρείτε το βίντεο με συνέντευξη του πρώτου υπουργού εξωτερικών των Σκοπίων όπου παραδέχεται ότι όλη η ιστορία είναι κατασκευασμένη από τους ίδιους εξ' αιτίας της ανάγκης ύπαρξης ενός κράτους στην Ευρώπη πρέπει να έχει ιστορία 2,000 ετών και εξηγεί την πραγματικότητα, πιστευω και το αναρτίσετε στην ιστοσελίδα σαν απάντηση δεν χρειάζετε να μιλήσει κανένας άλλος απο εμάς.Έχω δει τη συγκεκριμένη συνέντευξη 2 φορές σε 2 διαφορετικές εκπομπές αλλά δεν μπορώ να θυμηθώ σε ποιές. Θεωρώ ότι η αλήθεια από το στόμα του ίδιου τους του υπουργού εξωτερικών είναι η μόνη αποστομοτική απάντηση. Mπορείτε να βρείτε αυτη την συνέντευξη άμεσα και να την αναρτήσετε σε όλα τα προπαγανδιστικά τους ιστολόγια? Ευχαριστω

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  15. Τρίτη φορά που δεν αφήνουν να περάσει το σχόλιό μου που βγάζει ψεύτη το Mark Mardell.

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    Mr Mardell,

    I'm curious about the moderation here. The dialogue has expanded into an internet flame war, while you don't allow comments with facts to appear below your post.

    I'll leave my comment again, for the third time, almost a day after my initial attempt. If you don't allow it to appear, I will submit a formal complaint and contact other media about it. I abide by the rules (although other commenters do not) and I will not tolerate censorship for anyone's sake.

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    Macedonia is a geographical region, such as North America or the Iberian Peninsula.

    F.Y.R. of Macedonia's area comprises little over a third of the geographical region of Macedonia.

    In the geographical region of Macedonia, three quarters of the inhabitants claim a Greek, Bulgarian or Albanian national identity (2.65m in Greece, 0.35m in Bulgaria and 0.7m in the F.Y.R. of Macedonia).

    In addition, you wrote:

    "They also say that government-backed books are produced in Macedonia talking of a greater state and that the prime minister there was seen laying a wreath in front of such a map showing Greater Macedonia."

    Indeed.

    7th & 8th grade books showing the partition of "Greater Macedonia" after WWI and WWII.

    link -> urlb.org/lhg6

    Prime minister Gruevski laying a wreath in front of a "Greater Macedonia" map.

    link -> urlb.org/lhg5

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  16. Brhka 2 videakia to sto prwto
    o Gligorof paradexetai oti einai Slavoi kai den exoyn kamia sxesh
    Me ton Alexandro

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X98ZxEJt0V8

    sto deytero

    kapoy sthn mesh O Malefski
    paradexetai oti anakasthkan na kataskeyasoun oloi ayth thn Istoria

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Uu70hxM8Q

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  17. Μετά από 3 συνεχόμενες μη δημοσιεύσεις του σχολίου μου συμπλήρωσα το ειδικό έντυπο παραπόνων του BBC http://bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1.shtml με αναφορά στο http://bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2008/04/fire_em_that_country_next_door.html ως εξής:"Dear Madam or Sir,
    I created an account to your blog service in order to post a comment to the above topic. Surprisingly, neither I saw my comment in the list nor I saw any notification of violation of any rule. I thought it was just an accident & I sent a second comment & as it was not published I sent another comment for third & last time which was also not published. Then I saw some comments of other internet users referred to some websites as http://www.greekalert.com & http://macedonia-greece.blogspot.com concerning the same topic. All of us share the same problem POSITIONS OF GREEK INTEREST REGARDING MACEDONIA'S ISSUE ARE CONTINUOUSLY CENSORED BY YOUR TEAM. I am attending your answer in order to come into a conclusion if BBC is really a biased media or it is an incident of individuals working there."
    ΟΧΙ ΤΙΠΟΤΑ ΑΛΛΟ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΜΗ ΝΟΜΙΖΟΥΝ ΟΤΙ ΜΑΣ ΔΟΥΛΕΥΟΥΝ & ΕΜΕΙΣ ΤΡΩΜΕ ΚΟΥΤΟΧΟΡΤΟ.

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